It’s not really any “news” that many younger folks leave the church during college years, but eventually come back when they have kids. Of course some don’t. Probably many, but I don’t know percentages. I could make one up that might be just as accurate if pressed….
Here’s a new article by the Barna Group. Normally those words make me cringe. Barna’s ecclesiology leaves something to be desired. Very desired. I heard an interview with him once where he said “I don’t go to church.” Not only that but the Barna Group’s research methods have been at times deemed questionable at best, according to some. Nevertheless, I actually liked this article because it didn’t provide alarmist statistics to cause panic.
Instead of yelling “fire,” this article discusses 6 reasons why young adults leave the church, and even includes some possible solutions to the problems. So even though percentages are thrown your way, they seem to take more of a back seat.
Again, you can read the article here. If you’ve gotten this far into this post, I don’t doubt that at all. So I’ll just comment on two of the reasons. And apologize for the weird formatting that follows-I tried 3-4 times to “pretty” it up. No luck.
Exclusivity
One of the reasons include the exclusivity of the gospel message amidst a pluralistic culture. You can’t do a whole about that “problem.” Now you can not be arrogant and not demonize those who don’t love Jesus. That’s called loving your neighbor or your enemy. But you can’t include them as part of God’s family when John 1:12 tells us that those who believe in Jesus have been given the right to become children of God. Jesus gives that right. No one else does.
Unfriendly to Doubters
Perhaps the reason that gave me most “hope” to work with was number 6.
Reason #6 – The church feels unfriendly to those who doubt.
Young adults with Christian experience say the church is not a place that allows them to express doubts. They do not feel safe admitting that sometimes Christianity does not make sense. In addition, many feel that the church’s response to doubt is trivial. Some of the perceptions in this regard include not being able “to ask my most pressing life questions in church” (36%) and having “significant intellectual doubts about my faith” (23%). In a related theme of how churches struggle to help young adults who feel marginalized, about one out of every six young adults with a Christian background said their faith “does not help with depression or other emotional problems” they experience (18%).
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The God who grieves
This is my final thought, for now, on God’s Sovereignty over all things, even our suffering. To say that God is Sovereign and plans all things to happen does not mean that he doesn’t also grieve for things He has ordained. Take Jesus, for instance. He doesn’t cry at his own death, but he cries over the death of his friend Lazarus (John 11). Now typically we use this verse to show the human nature of Jesus. But if we also get our Christology from Colossians (1:15-17), we understand that Jesus was involved in creating and is involved in sustaining the world. So the same person who created the world also cried at the experience of losing a loved one. The God who ordains all that comes to pass also grieved at what he ordained with Lazarus.
I was reading Psalm 116 today and heard the “voice of Jesus” in verse 15, “Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints.” He cares when people die even though He numbers their days (Psalm 139:16). He also doesn’t delight in the death of the wicked (Ezek 33:11). He cares. Even in martyrdom, we can’t say that God isn’t grieved. He hates sin and hates the affects of sin. That’s why He came to redeem not only people, but all things (Col 1). One day there will be no tears. And in that day, God will rejoice with us, just as in some way, he mourns with us even now.
If you want another example of how God can ordain something and yet grieve over that something, check out the cross. I know God ordained that cosmic display of justice, wrath, and infinite love; and I’m pretty sure God the Father was saddened by forsaking God the Son.
The Christian can boast of a God who both ordains and grieves. I’m thankful for both.
"Let Go, Let Man" isn’t good either
The downside of truly believing that God is Sovereign over everything, as the Psalmist purports in Psalm 135:6: “Whatever the LORD pleases, he does, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all deeps,” is that you can become quite angry with God. I get that. That’s why most folks don’t want God to ever have ordained anything we would deem bad. And I do understand that. I really do. I just don’t get a vote.
The upside of believing that God isn’t in control of all things and does not ordain anything-or at least most things-is that you will, or should not, ever become angry with Him. For instance, when calamity strikes, it is merely the result of God letting people have their free wills. Since he doesn’t “step on any toes” in regard to free will, you as a result, don’t ever become angry at Him.
Now at first glance, that sounds pretty darn practical, doesn’t it? Rabbi Kushner reflecting on the death of his son When Bad Things Happen to Good People, concluded God is ultimately powerless to stop the evil. God had no part to play, so we can’t get mad at him. And I can see how that is comforting when confronted with a crisis such as that. For a time….Here are some thoughts on trading God’s Sovereignty for “Let Go, Let Man” viewpoint.
1.) Most of the Psalms involve a Psalmist crying out to God to do something. Do something in him. Do something in or with His situation and enemies. While Psalmists struggle with anger, doubts, and questions, they bring the aforementioned to God. He seems to be pretty cool with that kind of thing, you know? You take away the belief God is in control, you take away a pretty large book of the bible.
2.) The Psalms aren’t simply existential meanderings recorded to help us cope with tragedy. They point us to Christ and how to respond and pray for God to actually DO something (and trust Him b/c He has already DONE something in Jesus). A Sovereign God DOES. We need him to DO away with the presence of sin.
3.) If you trade Sovereignty for a “Let Go, Let Man,” attitude you really limit the scope of prayers. For instance, if you believe in complete autonomous free will, you really can’t pray for protection when you drive your car. There are millions of little decisions, distractions, that happen on the road, from singing to texting to the internal struggles of “I hate my boss” on the way to work or school. God can’t protect, because He’s got His hands tied with that whole, “I can’t interfere with their decisions” stuff. If someone is coming to hurt me, I want (or rather need) a God who can override their decisions. I need a God who can step on toes and shut their mouths, change their minds, etc…Don’t you?
Yet when people pray, they pray for judge’s decisions, for the salvation of their neighbor, for their kids to listen and be nice to their friends in school. I don’t know how prayers can truly be effectual without God’s ability to override individual autonomy. I really don’t.
While trading God’s Sovereignty over disasters may be comforting on the short end when tragedy strikes, there are practical long term issues that will keep you from finding comfort in the greatest good God our Father could give us: His Son Jesus.
None of this is intended to be counsel for those currently suffering. It’s only designed to build the framework and lay the foundation for responding to regular trials of which we shouldn’t be surprised (I Peter 4:12).
A God in Hurricane season
A few weeks ago, this article on the CNN belief blog came out, claiming that even “religious” people don’t necessarily look to God to explain why such storms happen. The conclusion was that for the most part, people understand such storms happen because of a variety of atmospheric conditions, and happen NOT as a result of the hand of God. Here’s a snippet:
When we believe in some sort of “clockmaker” Enlightenment-esque type God, who winds the world up, and then lets it go, we will obviously interpret things differently through this lens. Here are some thoughts.
1.) People don’t regularly blame God for Hurricanes. Hurricanes aren’t de facto judgments (not saying that they can’t be-we just don’t have access to that info and shouldn’t ASSUME) on sinful cities. That is positive I guess. Because we obviously don’t need “prophets” telling us this storm was for that reason because they don’t know. Instead we react to disasters like Jesus told us: not with judgment on others but as opportunities to repent ourselves (Luke 13:5).
2.) But if Hurricanes and Tornadoes have only a natural origin and God plays no part in it, then that’s obviously not only unbiblical (Gen 50:20), but it makes God irrelevant to any level of suffering. A God that plans and ordains all things is the God who can do something with the mess of the storms and with the mess of our lives. We need a God who doesn’t have to say, “Oh crud, now what can I do to help these people out, now that this has happened?” I write this now as theological truth, not as counsel to someone in the wake of tornadic activities.
I had to think a bit after reading this article. Does a secular world-view really help prepare us for hurricanes whereas a biblical worldview hinders? What part does God really play in storms? Should our science and knowledge of how storms arise and go forward really put God into a different part of our world in a sort of Descartesian duelism (science in physical realm; God fits into the personal/moral realm)?
A skeptic could say (and I have skepticism within me-I think most of us do at some level), the reason that storms are ascribed to God by the ancients is because they had no other explanation. So now we can observe wind patterns, sea currents, barometric pressure and such; we’re beyond that biblical point of view.
But the cool thing is that the bible doesn’t only ascribe to God unexplainable phenomenon (at the time), but also very the very observable. For instance, even morally evil things like vicious unjust wars.
The Babylonians were an instrument of judgment upon Judah, just as the Assyrians were instruments of judgment upon Israel. Both empires were quite evil and both chose to attack, and go “too far” in their wartime atrocities. Yet God declares that he raised up the Babylonians to come and open up a can of, well, judgment, upon His people (Habakkuk 1).
Why did these people come and invade Jerusalem? On one level, they wanted to do so because they liked killing and conquering (secondary cause). But on another level, God ordained them to do it (primary cause) as part of His plan. The same thing goes with tornadic (probably not a word, but I like it) activity and hurricanes. The weather systems, barometric pressures, ocean temperatures and currents, all have a part to play. But these mere observations don’t tell the whole story, just as observing war time atrocities in 586 BC didn’t tell the whole story. There is still a primary cause: God.
God still speaks through His Word today. He still speaks through His creation and our consciences as they are consistent with His Word. We don’t need him to speak clearly (as specific judgments we can understand) through Hurricanes, I’ll grant this lad that. Scripture is sufficient. But we cannot afford to assume that He has nothing to do with Him. We will miss the redemption and restoration which come from both figurative and literal storms in our lives if we ignore the one who is Lord even over storms (Mark 4:41).
The Calvinist "Likes-to-fight" guy
I find myself persuaded most by people who are gracious, gentle, and loving. I want to like what I would become if I believed more like them. I think most people are probably like that. When folks are angry because they feel they are divinely defending the truth (and sometimes a situation calls for righteous anger-I just think probably less than we think, though I can’t prove that) like a Martin Luther had to do, many either tune them out or choose the opposite side. The anger of the messenger stalls the propagation of the message. Now of course some folks like that angry-get-in-your-face-guy and they follow him. Then they become him. They become Calvinist “likes to fight guy.” Not good.
Unfortunately there are many “Calvinistic” folks who are just flat out angry at others. They defend their positions with as much vociferation and defiance as say a Martin Luther did, while claiming the same amount of scriptural clarity to the issue. While I’ll always hold to the “doctrines of grace” (part of Calvinistic understanding of salvation) because I believe it makes most scriptural sense to me and gives God the most glory (I think scriptures put that higher on God’s priority list than our autonomous choice), I never want to be an angry Calvinist drawing a sword to pridefully attack other legitimate branches of Christianity.
There are too many such folks out there. Many are Presbyterians. But that’s why my seminary, R.T.S. coined the phrase “Winsomely Reformed.”It’s a nice way of saying, “There are too many jerks out there calling themselves Calvinists; the doctrines of grace should make people like you more, not less!”
Here’s an interview exchange with Baptist church planting guru and Lifeway researcher Ed Stetzer (I don’t think he’s Calvinistic but does run in such “circles”) and Joe Horn on the problem of Angry “fake” Calvinists. Pretty cool.
You wonder if God would ever say, “You know more people would have believed the doctrines of grace if you weren’t such a jerk.” Now for a Calvinist this is clearly a hypothetical scenario only. Nevertheless, its probably a good exercise to think through while on Earth.
If you’ve run into angry Calvinists, and are turned off by them, then please realize that there are many not like that. If that term is something vilely offensive to you, then it might be worth re-examining some of the scriptures with a winsome Calvinist. Because people have the power to turn me off, even to things that I already like or promote, it’s very clear that the messenger of God’s grace has to be shaped by God’s grace before many will believe in such “doctrines of grace.”
And if you find that it is scripture itself, and not just some angry Calvinists who are very hard to love, (nor YOUR notions of what God should be like), which prevents your from landing in this “camp,” then God bless you, and keep on keeping on. And reading on I hope! I’m glad and proud to call you brother or sister or father or mother in the faith. Hope the reverse is also true.
"What’s love got to do with it?"-by Pat Robertson
We’re not the same but we can be friends
Our mini “melting pot” succeeded because we focused on the commonalities between Islam and Christianity, the most obvious being that we worship the same God. How could we not? After all, we share almost identical prophets such as Moses, Abraham and Jesus.
The problem is that there is no American paradigm for disagreeing with someone’s religion or sexual preference but at the same time still befriending and getting to know them. What that means is that Christians have an opportunity to prayerfully, lovingly, and patiently introduce and demonstrate that to our culture.
Why it matters whose "work" it is
Ouch, two things I really need to “work on.” Or rather have Him “work in.” I often don’t believe this truth like I purport to believe it.
Only YOU: Lesson from 9/11 Part II
Don’t put that pressure on me: A lesson from 9/11
God has made known to Christians the “mystery” of His will in Christ (Eph 1:9), so no other mystery should cause us to lose much sleep or put pressure on us.



