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Interrupted by fundamentalism: Part III

This is the final post on being “interrupted by fundamentalism.” Should you say anything? I boil it all down to three question.
1.) Is the gospel being threatened? Paul got up in Peter’s grill and said,  “I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned (Gal 2:11).” If the gospel is being added to or subtracted (as was the case with Peter refusing Gentile fellowship), then it does warrant a response.  The plate on the bible was no doubt a symptom of a greater disease, but the request-or rather command-itself didn’t necessarily show me that she was trusting in her works instead of the grace of Jesus. That’s what some people call Pharisaism (adding little rules), as opposed to Legalism-working for your salvation. Of course Pharisees did both, and both are commonly found dwelling in the same persons today.
2.) Can you do it truthfully and graciously? Perhaps there are times for righteous indignation, as with Jesus and the money changers in the Temple (Matt 21:12), but we should always remember that most of our anger is not of this variety. And we don’t know exactly what Paul’s and Peter’s exchange looked like. Clearly there was confrontation, but how “heated” Paul got is something we can’t know for sure. 
3.) Will it do any good? What affect will it have? This last question is perhaps the last question we should consider in deciding whether or not we should go on the offensive. First of all, I don’t think the question is necessarily a bad question to ask. It is wise to be silent at times, and sometimes anticipating what response you might receive, will allow you to “lose the battle” but “win the war.” So the “will it do any good” question can sometimes be valid, provided you’re not just backing out of necessary gospel-driven confrontation.
But I’d now like to turn to the question “will it do any good?” itself, and explain how it can be an illegitimate question.
A. Who knows? None of us know for a fact what a gospel-centered response could elicit. We can make educated guesses, but how much do we really know? Even when God has declared through a prophet there will be death and destruction, some folks offered up prayers, saying, “Who knows (Jonah 4)?” For Nineveh it “worked,” for David, it didn’t. Who knows? Perhaps a seed was planted, and it might give folks something to think about. Just as coming to faith for many takes a plethora of gospel conversations, so might this exodus from the slavery of man-made rules take some time.
B. How can we expect folks to change? If folks are never challenged to think gospel centered thoughts, they will no doubt continue “policing” tables looking for plates on tops of bibles. People do leave fundamentalism behind. Sometimes it occurs when they simply grow up, and see that NetFlix can be a good thing. But if no one ever graciously challenges them, then we should probably not expect the gospel to make a big dent in their thinking.
C.) A little too much pragmatism. The main problem with the “will it do any good” question is that our presumed definition of success becomes the arbiter of whether or not we do something. And often our definition of success is not necessarily God’s definition of success. Think of the OT prophets. Most people did not listen to those guys. Not only that, Israel often killed those dudes. It definitely didn’t look like their message “did any good.” Maybe no one changes from your gospel-centered response, but that might just be what God dialed up. Some things just have to be said because they honor God, regardless of whether or not, those words are actually heard, received, and pondered. The “will it do any good” question, sometimes finds more common ground with pragmatism than faithfulness.
D.) Worried about our own comfort. I think the question has yet another underlying question: is it worth it to enter into the unknown and perhaps the uncomfortable? It’s much easier (provided they go to another church) to let someone go on making up rules not found in the bible and trying to enforce them on others than to disagree and enter into conflict. Conflict, particularly when it doesn’t seem to do any good, is uncomfortable. We tend to not like that feeling, so sometimes I think we can hide behind the “what good will it do” question.

None of these questions are directed to anybody. The older I get, the more I’m beginning to see these questions behind the “will it do any good” question in my own heart.

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Interrupted by fundamentalism: Part II

As the title suggests, this the 2nd post in this series, so please go back and read the first post to get the contcxt. 
First of all, my re-telling of the story landed on the sardonic side. I’m really not angry, but just felt very creative for a bit, so I tried to put it all down before the “creative muse” left me high and dry. Although I am saddened that much of “Christian” thought in this area is dominated by fundamentalistic thinking (making up outward rules not in the bible, preachers yelling at people, and trying to make God like us, etc…) There is not much gospel-centered thinking or preaching: God already loves me, so I therefore want to follow Him, failing regularly as I go, and showing grace to others. That much I’ve witnessed and heard from countless folks.
In fact one picture of sanctification someone espoused from the pulpit in a local church looked like this: a long haired, ear-ringed, tatooed, man came to church, and over time, he cut his hair, got rid of his ear-rings, covered his tatoos. That’s sanctification: outwardly conforming to some sort of cultural norm not based upon scripture.
So that is prevalent. But is there any response demanded from someone who walks up to you and demands that you conform to this model?
I don’t think there is necessarily any response demanded. For instance, I had nothing to say. Nothing came to me. And as my dear friend Jeremy pointed out in his comment, it would probably not have been gracious. Truthful perhaps, but not gracious. I shouldn’t have said anything because nothing came to me.
While visiting Israel on a foreign study trip in college, an orthodox Jew in Jerusalem made me take either the meat or the milk product OFF of the table. I knew I couldn’t have meat-lovers pizza in Jerusalem (I had cheese while my buddy opted for the Tuna-bad choice), but I didn’t realize they couldn’t even be on the same table. I obliged, more out of safety than anything. He wasn’t too happy. I’d probably oblige again.
But when a Christian comes and demands you follow something extra-biblical, provided words come to you, it is right to say something.  Particularly because the plate on the bible thing is really just the tip of the iceberg of a disbelief in the gospel.
Jesus comes into contact with some pharisees, first century fundamentalists, and he challenges their assumptions. They can’t figure out why his disciples don’t wash their hands, according to the traditions of the elders. He goes for the spiritual jugular, the heart, and quotes Isaiah, showing that this has been a problem for a long time in Israel: “This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men (Mark 7:1-8)”
It is not good to make up commands. Jesus is not a fan, even when you think you are doing God a favor. Clearly this woman felt like it was dishonoring to God’s Word to put a plate on my bible. But the Pharisees seemed to have used the same argument. They honored God with lips, but their hearts were far from him. All of their actions fell under the rubric of “You need to honor God,” but because their motivation was so far off (making God their debtor by making up rules and trying to get others to follow them), they actually ignored the ACTUAL commands of loving their parents.
When people do make up commands, we have an opportunity to address that behavior, provided our tones aren’t dominated by sarcasm or anger (I Peter 3:15-17; this verse refers specifically to dialog with unbelievers, but I’m pretty sure the whole gentleness and respect thing applies across the board). 
If the Lord has given you nothing to say, then follow Allison Krauss’ lead (or Keith Wheatly) and “say nothing at all.” But it is a good thing to seek answers which would challenge our fundamentalist brother and sisters in the faith with the truth and the gospel. 
Here are some questions I might ask when I have my next “interruption,” which may open the door for the gospel. Instead of following your heart (or mine) and saying “get a life,” these might start the conversation off on the right foot.
1.) Where in the bible does it say that? Could you show it to me? If its not there, should we hold this belief with such certainty, and THEN expect others to follow this command?
2.) I appreciate your concern to honor God’s Word, and there are many ways of honoring God. What are some other ways which YOU display a high view of the Word? Here are some ways I value God’s Word: hearing it preached regularly, studying it regularly, discussing it in community, applying it, cherishing it, etc….
  
Jesus didn’t ask his disciples to wash their hands, even though that would have been a more “peaceful” response. I might refuse to take the plate off the bible next time, but I will definitely not do so devoid of gospel-centered dialog. But if I, or you, feel that the gospel is not threatened, then I or you can follow Paul’s example and have one dude circumcised and the other not. The answer depends upon gospel-centered thinking more so than our (and mine in particular) goal or desire to prove someone else wrong.
Feel free to share any other pertinent questions you feel might be helpful.
One question (well at least one) remains: will it do any good? And if it won’t (or at least if we presume it won’t do any good), should that be a reason for why say nothing at all? I’ll get to that one tomorrow and then get off the fundamentalist response kick.
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Interrupted by fundamentalism

The other day I had a meeting with some folks on the nursery team at Tim Horton’s (the closest thing we have to Starbucks in “the Valley”) when a woman interrupted us with something “important” to say. She asked me if the object on the table was indeed a bible. At this point, I expected her to say something like, “Wow, it’s good to see other Christians out and about,” as I was accustomed to hearing from women her age (60’s) in Bradenton, FL.  What I did not expect was that which came out of her mouth.
She began, “My third grade Sunday School Teacher taught me something and it has stuck with me ever since.” Still, I’m expecting something encouraging. After all, we were brainstorming on ways how to better teach the Toddlers the gospel during their nursery time, and how to get parents involved in the process. Good things I thought. 
But then the bomb shell: “You never put anything on top of the bible.” There was a plate from my donut resting on top of the bible. So she took the plate off, freeing me from the pending judgment of God on my hapless soul no doubt. Probably not a second too soon.
And then, like a small black-tip shark with an investigatory bite on a surfer, she was gone. Disappearing into the vast sea of everyday life, this Christian soldier marked onward with pride toward the next opportunity to make a spiritual citizen’s arrest. Or maybe she just went home? Who knows or cares? 
We three paused in disbelief. I was speechless, fortunately, because words might not have been “gracious, seasoned with salt,” as instructed in Colossians 4:6. Blindsided by fundamentalistic  superstition, I had absolutely nothing to say, but “wow.” I knew from personal experience that fundamentalism and legalism ran rampant here in West Va like the ancient buffalo of old, but I guess I’d not been run over by such a buffalo before. I felt it this time.
Of course after she left, I thought I should have clarified that my bible was actually the ESV, and not the Holy and uniquely inspired King James version. So it was technically not a recognized bible for “fundies.” Maybe I could have kept my plate on it after all?
What does one say in such a scenario? Is there anything which one should say, or are there things better to say, or should we just follow Allison Krauss’ instructions, saying it best “when you say nothing at all?

I have some takes on how I could have responded, and plan to respond the next time someone uses such a silly superstition in God’s name. But this post is already getting too long.

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Chris Paul, forgiveness, and me

If you’re of those who follow the NBA playoff’s, you’ll know that the L.A. Lakers received a very poor Mother’s Day present from the Dallas Mavericks: a near 40 point “beatdown.” Sometimes we need a “villain” to keep things interesting: the Lakers were that “villain” to me: someone to root against. Now, I just don’t care.
While I don’t offer you any suggestions on a team to pull for in the play-off’s, I do offer you a player to pull for in the next NBA season, should they have one. It is very clear that very soon the NBA will head the way of the NFL and players will be locked out. So, provided there is an NBA season, or a shortened season next year, here is a lad whom you will want to root for: Chris Paul.
I knew New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul was a believer; after all, he was on the cover of the Sports Spectrum (a Christian sports magazine). In fact, he was on the cover of the most famous Sports Spectrum volume, the edition containing sports-related devotions by a host of athletes, coaches, and an associate pastor (ME). My name looks a little out of place alongside Indianapolis Colt’s Center Jeff Saturday. So that edition, in the minds of many, will forever link Chris Paul and myself. Chris knows what I’m talking about. Obviously.

Check out this story about Chris Paul, how he honored his grandfather, and offered forgiveness to the teens who brutally murdered him. It will no doubt move you, surprise you, and perhaps challenge you. It did me. You may not be pulling for the Hornets next year, but you will be pulling for him. I promise.

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Every Mother’s or (Rather Pastor’s) Nightmare?

Mother’s Day is coming early this year. I guess you could say it is as early as it could possibly be: the 8th.

I’m thankful for my mother. Very thankful for her prayers, her teaching, her love, her wisdom, her patience. I’m thankful for my mother-in-law as well. I’m thankful for my grandmother, who has been a grandmother to both me and my wife. And I’m thankful for those who served as surrogate mothers to me while I served as a single youth director.

While Fathers are supposed to lead at home, mothers have admirably led when the father has abdicated spiritual leadership. Timothy is the product of godly women, of a godly mom and grandmom: 
“I am reminded of your sincere faith, a faith that dwelt first in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice and now, I am sure, dwells in you as well.” – II Timothy 1:5
So how do we honor them on Mother’s Day? How do we honor them in worship? Can we honor them in worship and keep the focus on Jesus? That’s the hard part. It can be a nightmare trying to discern the best way to honor them without cultural capitulation.
In regards to honoring them on Mother’s Day, I’ve canceled Sr. High youth group because some would rather have their children home. But I’m also having Jr. High youth group at our house, because some mothers would rather get a break: that’s how Amy and I think.
But in worship, should we do anything special? Mark Driscoll, pastor of Mars Hill in Seattle, gives 10 tips for things to do IN and after the worship service. Here are a few of those and my takes.
“1. Have a woman lead worship or help lead worship”-I don’t have a problem with women helping lead worship, but how much of what we do in worship should be done so that a certain group feels special?
“6. Dedicate lots of babies. Everyone likes to see babies on Mother’s Day.” Besides the theological differences in baptists and presbyterians, again, I just think this borders on worship as entertainment.  That’s not the point of worship-though I obviously believe it to be a joyous time and my favorite time of the week.
“8. For some women, infertility makes Mother’s Day a tough time. Invite them up after the service to be prayed for, that God would open their wombs.” On the front end this sounds good. I mean who doesn’t want prayer? But I don’t think any women who have tried tirelessly to get pregnant would appreciate being singled out on THIS hard day for them. Perhaps God’s design is for them to adopt? If a mother who was trying to get pregnant thought this were a good idea, I’d be OK. But I doubt-and of course this is speculation- it arose from such a person. Driscoll, who has been influential to me as far as big picture stuff goes, may not be doing the best job of putting himself in the shoes of those desiring to be mothers. I could be wrong-but that’s my take.
You can read the rest of the list here even though I probably wouldn’t recommend any of them.
I’m generally disappointed in evangelicalism’s Mother’s Day service in two major areas.
1.) Sensitivity to those desiring to be mothers, those mothers who’ve lost children, who have no mother, etc…I’m not the most sensitive person in the world. I’m growing in sensitivity, as I think we all must grow in this area. I was not aware how hard Mother’s Day was for some of the aforementioned until a class in seminary. The professor’s wife left town every mother’s day, largely in fact that there was such an in-your-face-emphasis at church that Sunday. I don’t mind offending people with the gospel, but not this.
2.) Worship is God-centered. When we give rewards for the youngest mother, oldest mother, newest mother, we take the focus off of Jesus. We lift up the created rather than the Creator. I’m not out on a crusade to call other churches out. I just want to explain why some churches refuse to do a blatanly specific “Mother’s day” service. It’s is NOT because we don’t treasure and value mothers. It is because we want all focus to be on Jesus. That’s why I won’t ever create a Veteran’s Day, Father’s Day, or Graduation day service.
What should we do? I don’t know what we should do, but here are some ideas that we’ll do at Redeemer.
1.) Children’s Church Mother’s day lesson
2.) Toddler Nursery craft for mothers.
3.) Pastoral prayer thanking mothers and spiritual mothers. Several women at Redeemer have no children, but have been a spiritual mother to Connar and Cade, and I’m SO thankful for them. They are a gift from our Heavenly Father.
Just my thoughts on how to apply Mother’s Day at church. 
The real question is can we honor, thank, recognize a group of people before God IN worship without drawing attention away from Him. That’s a hard one to answer, and I realize I may not be as consistent as I’d like to be with my vision. Honoring them after the service is much easier.
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Jesus: the actor who played him, and the actor who directed him

I watched the Passion of the Christ for the 2nd time during the Passion Week. I never thought I’d watch it a 2nd time, but I’m certainly glad I did. 
I wonder now, about 7 years removed from the completion of it, if old Gibby considers it his magnum opus or if he has any regrets in making it? Devoutly defending it with his words, Gibson has not done quite as good a job defending it with his lifestyle. Threatening phone calls, divorce, sexual activity outside marriage, alleged abuse….
How could this be? Here’s one possibility (another possibility is he might not be a true believer-but that’s too easy)
A Bull’s-Eye
No doubt Mel had a bulls-eye on his back. Promoting Jesus will get you a bulls-eye on your back. Promoting Jesus and abstinence before marriage on the basketball court, like Dwight Howard claimed such a desire to do, landed him with a kid out of wedlock and leading the league in technical fouls.
I for one am happy I’m not in the NBA. I would hate for cameras to focus on me after I made a bad shot, or complained to the ref’s. I would probably lead the league in technical fouls; it takes everything in me not to argue with church softball refs! And I don’t know what its like to have cheerleaders throwing themselves at me while I’m a single guy in my early 20’s. I don’t excuse Howard’s or Gibson’s behavior in the least. Both have hurt their witness because they chose to do so.
But I don’t know the same level of the public bull’s eye-ness as those guys know. With fame comes the bulls-eye.
In this article, Jim Caviezel explains how Gibson warned him that “You’ll never work in this town again.”
I think Gibson understood that there would be a bulls-eye, but he obviously didn’t understand the spiritual depth of such a bulls-eye. He understood the professional attack, but he didn’t realize how prone he was to real spiritual attack. The man who stood up for Jesus probably didn’t consider himself capable of such things (I imagine), just like Peter thought Jesus was loony when He predicted his denial. 
“It could never happen to me.” Famous last words, particularly for our witness.
Little did Mel know Satan cares far more about destroying your character than your destroying your career. If he can get two birds with one stone, then great. But when your witness and credibility is destroyed, as you could clearly say is the case with Mel, Satan can say, “It’s been a good year.”
But there is hope. In this article, Caviezel admits his career hasn’t recovered, but his witness, as far as I can remember from lack of “bad press,” wasn’t destroyed. He can still speak at a Mega-Baptist church and have some credibility.

How? For us who aren’t as famous, there is still a bulls-eye on our marriages, our families, our workplaces, where we live and play. But if you recognize that you could and would walk down Mel’s path if you pridefully forget you need Jesus every hour, then I think you will walk with the real Jesus. Alongside the actor who played Jesus in the Passion of the Christ.

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Mixed emotions

I got the news Osama Bin Ladin had been killed while watching SportsCenter as it flashed across the bottom ticker. Amy and I were thankful. Not really glad that he was dead, but more so that they had found that joker. I would have been just as glad had he been captured and not killed. 
 
 The next morning there were a zillion blog posts, facebook comments, and tweets. Jonathon Dodson gives a response to the various responses, cautioning people to digest, listen, and think through the various issues (and I think there really are a multitude of them) first.
Should I feel conviction about feeling some sense of satisfaction about justice, although only partial, being served? I’m not advocating throwing a party, but should I, or should we, only feel sadness at his death? We should probably feel a bit of sadness that someone chose to look at Jesus and say, “You aren’t God, and I will not submit to and trust you.” That doesn’t bode well for him, nor for billions like him. This gospel coalition post shaped and directed some of my thoughts the next day.
But should Christians simply mourn the death of a such an evil person and not thank God for justice? Should the soldiers who killed him in war, not thank God for such a deliverance? Should we not thank God for our soldiers doing their jobs well? I think our world and our emotions are far too complex for a simple answer. But I don’t think we should feel guilty for being thankful.
I’m also thankful for the boldness of people to post their reflections, which go against popular sentiment. My sense of justice, as I suspect with many, can sometimes-or rather often-border on a desire for personal retribution. And I did have to repent from being glad that Osama was now in hell. But I still think there is more to it.

Kevin DeYoung is definitely starting to grow on me. He writes:

In the end, though there are mixed emotions from last night’s announcement, at least one of the attitudes should be thankfulness for the bravery of the men who, with proper authority in a just cause, killed a man who deserved to die. I thought President Obama’s remarks last night struck the right tone. There was a sense of gratitude without gloating. The dominant theme was justice. In our every day lives in this squishy pomo world, we have a hard time with justice. As a nation we feel sorry for people better than we feel joy over justice. But sometimes we need to be reminded that we live in a moral universe where actions have consequences. And when deathly consequences are merited by despicable actions, we should be glad the world is working as God designed.
You can read more here
While I understand that I’m condemned for my sins and only have Jesus to look to, I don’t think it honors Jesus to not admit there could be no difference between your sins, those of your non-believing grandmother, and those of Osama. 
De Young writes in a more recent post

Like many popular adages, this one about all sins being equal before God is not entirely wrong. Every sin is a breach of God’s holy law. And whoever fails to keep the law in one point is guilty of breaking all of it (James 2:10). So any sin committed against an infinite God deserves punishment. We’re all born sinners. We all sin. Every sin deserves death. That’s why the truism is half-true.

But it’s also a lot not true. Over and over the Bible teaches, either explicitly or implicitly, that some sins are worse than others.
You can check out several of his scriptural references. This is a great post on moral equivalence.
Doug Wilson, who I rarely ever agree with, has a solid post, questioning the “well, we’re all sinners and deserve death” mentality, saying it actually hurts your evangelism. You can read more here.
In the end, I think we should have mixed emotions. Not celebrating in the streets, but not simple mourning either, nor self-righteously boasting that you are in the minority for your convictions (not calling out anyone but I do know that we’re prone to works-righteousness). I’m thankful for living within a community, albeit sometimes cyber-community where we can graciously disagree with one another. And I’m thankful for some of the pertinent questions which have been raised, as well as others like this one which has recently popped into my mind: what or how should we pray for when we pray for our enemies, particularly terrorists?
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Why some folks believe?

Some people believe in God for different reasons, or at the very least, find some evidences more compelling than others. Being primarily a pre-suppositionalist myself, and having submitted myself first to the biblical worldview, I find this approach makes more sense of reality than any other system of thought. However I do find some reasons like Blaise Paschal’s “greatness and wretchedness” principle-that man is capable of so much good and so much evil-one of the most intellectual satisfying (we are created in the image of God and yet fallen).  While Tim Keller takes a more pre-suppositional approach in the first section of A Reason for God he does give “clues” rather than “proofs” that God does in fact exist in the latter chapters. Whether a curious unbeliever or mature believer, who like most of us wrestle with doubts, this book does us both a great service. 
And yet outside of this intellectual framework or body of evidences, sometimes very small things “happen” to us which get our attention and serve as clues of God’s existence and presence. For instance, take running into someone at some place at some time, when only a combination of other events would allow such a “chance” meeting to happen. That’s why this guy says he believes in God.
Those kind of events which we believe couldn’t ever happen if God had not somehow ordered them to fall out accordingly never cease to amaze and affirm. But I’m not sure we can build our faith upon such events, and certainly we can’t use them to definitively give a “reason for the hope we have (I Peter 3:15).” After all, there are other “chance” meetings which turn out pretty bad. I’m sure plenty of folks, due to a series of unusual events, found themselves in the path of the southern tornadoes and died. 
The faith described in this article is personal, and I don’t necessarily question it (though I would probably not connect evangelical, Rob Bell, gay and lesbian award winner). I didn’t watch the video but just read the article.
Perhaps if we ever cross paths-and who’s to say that we couldn’t ever (we could both agree on that), I’d probably ask him to check out Keller’s A Reason For God. If nothing else, he might get a fuller picture of the gospel than with Bell.